License plates

[stumper]

http://legis.state.sd.us/who/index.aspx

[stumper]

Still cant come up with a reason we should give up our plates ? How EXACTLY does giving up our current licensing system help the trail system?

Its becoming pretty clear that you really dont have any "inside" info. Anyone who truley cared about the future of ATV use would do anything they could to keep ALL areas availible to ride on open.

I don't care about highway access for rigs constructed for and explicitly sold as off-highway vehicles!  I'm just trying to help you folks with a little insight.

Look, you are obviously a long standing member of this forum . . . if you continue to let your newbie Ed Goss frame your OHV (ATV?) future in SD then you deserve what you get.

Ed has been aggravating this issue for years now and continues his deluded diatribe to this day on your forum which pollutes any chances you may have at an amicable settlement on this issue.

If you continue to allow him to be your spokes person, you'll reap what you sow!!!!

Obviously you dont care , didnt take much to figure that one out.

I dont know either one of you,but I do know which one is for and which one is against what we have in SD.

[The Lyin King]

I care about off-highway access for off-highway vehicles . . . the rest is gravy!  Lick your plate before it's wiped clean!!!

Too bad you're so blind sided by one issue that eventually you'll end up with nothing.

[Grumpy 1]

Still cant come up with a reason we should give up our plates ? How EXACTLY does giving up our current licensing system help the trail system?

Its becoming pretty clear that you really dont have any "inside" info. Anyone who truley cared about the future of ATV use would do anything they could to keep ALL areas availible to ride on open.

I don't care about highway access for rigs constructed for and explicitly sold as off-highway vehicles!  I'm just trying to help you folks with a little insight.

Look, you are obviously a long standing member of this forum . . . if you continue to let your newbie Ed Goss frame your OHV (ATV?) future in SD then you deserve what you get.

Ed has been aggravating this issue for years now and continues his deluded diatribe to this day on your forum which pollutes any chances you may have at an amicable settlement on this issue.

If you continue to allow him to be your spokes person, you'll reap what you sow!!!!

I HAD KNOW IDEA I WAS SO POWERFUL, BUT THANKS. Lyin King I gotta ask you how come the excutive secretary of the BRC is trying to take away the rights of ATV's/UTV's without telling the whole ORA group in Rapid City what he is propossing. ED

[Grumpy 1]

Still cant come up with a reason we should give up our plates ? How EXACTLY does giving up our current licensing system help the trail system?

Its becoming pretty clear that you really dont have any "inside" info. Anyone who truley cared about the future of ATV use would do anything they could to keep ALL areas availible to ride on open.

I don't care about highway access for rigs constructed for and explicitly sold as off-highway vehicles!  I'm just trying to help you folks with a little insight.

Look, you are obviously a long standing member of this forum . . . if you continue to let your newbie Ed Goss frame your OHV (ATV?) future in SD then you deserve what you get.

Ed has been aggravating this issue for years now and continues his deluded diatribe to this day on your forum which pollutes any chances you may have at an amicable settlement on this issue.

If you continue to allow him to be your spokes person, you'll reap what you sow!!!!

I HAD KNOW IDEA I WAS SO POWERFUL, BUT THANKS. Lyin King I gotta ask you how come the excutive secretary of the BRC is trying to take away the rights of ATV's/UTV's without telling the whole ORA group in Rapid City what he is propossing. ED

PS Just so you know that in the agricultuural state of SD we will except ag atv/utv's and utility companys from any problems with any roads or ditches and since I have plenty of ag exceptioons one would wonder why I think we should keep the plates on our atv/utv,s.  The answer is I like this country and this state and I like local control and I like to have the right to defend my rights without the input  on folks who got California in the condition it is in.  My guess is Lyin King have your insurance paid, I'd like to see you and some of your thoughts at a ranchers meeeting of any sort in my area.Ed

[Grumpy 1]

Still cant come up with a reason we should give up our plates ? How EXACTLY does giving up our current licensing system help the trail system?

Its becoming pretty clear that you really dont have any "inside" info. Anyone who truley cared about the future of ATV use would do anything they could to keep ALL areas availible to ride on open.

I don't care about highway access for rigs constructed for and explicitly sold as off-highway vehicles!  I'm just trying to help you folks with a little insight.

Look, you are obviously a long standing member of this forum . . . if you continue to let your newbie Ed Goss frame your OHV (ATV?) future in SD then you deserve what you get.

Ed has been aggravating this issue for years now and continues his deluded diatribe to this day on your forum which pollutes any chances you may have at an amicable settlement on this issue.

If you continue to allow him to be your spokes person, you'll reap what you sow!!!!

Obviously you dont care , didnt take much to figure that one out.

I dont know either one of you,but I do know which one is for and which one is against what we have in SD.

Thanks, Stumper,  I want to apologize to anyone I have offended in SD.  I also think the BRC of which I am a member does some good things, it's some of the nuts in that group that try to speak for every one and we sure don't want the regulations California has.  We have  neighbors and friends who have left that state because of people wanting to be regulate.  Some one from out there says they are trying to regulate people from letting off gas.  (well maybe)  I only wish Lyin King would have answer some of the questions but????Ed

[Thumper700]

I suppose there's a lot of folks that are jealous of what we have in SD.  There must be a reason that some people stay here.  I sure isn't because of the giant polluted cities, crowded subways, and high crime rate.  Maybe it's because of the great outdoors, wide open spaces, sparse population, less extremists, less unneeded regulations, etc.  Go ahead and keep your sunny California, we'll keep our free state.

[irisht58]

Still cant come up with a reason we should give up our plates ? How EXACTLY does giving up our current licensing system help the trail system?

Its becoming pretty clear that you really dont have any "inside" info. Anyone who truley cared about the future of ATV use would do anything they could to keep ALL areas availible to ride on open.

I don't care about highway access for rigs constructed for and explicitly sold as off-highway vehicles!  I'm just trying to help you folks with a little insight.

Look, you are obviously a long standing member of this forum . . . if you continue to let your newbie Ed Goss frame your OHV (ATV?) future in SD then you deserve what you get.

Ed has been aggravating this issue for years now and continues his deluded diatribe to this day on your forum which pollutes any chances you may have at an amicable settlement on this issue.

If you continue to allow him to be your spokes person, you'll reap what you sow!!!!

Obviously you dont care , didnt take much to figure that one out.

I dont know either one of you,but I do know which one is for and which one is against what we have in SD.

Thanks, Stumper,  I want to apologize to anyone I have offended in SD.  I also think the BRC of which I am a member does some good things, it's some of the nuts in that group that try to speak for every one and we sure don't want the regulations California has.  We have  neighbors and friends who have left that state because of people wanting to be regulate.  Some one from out there says they are trying to regulate people from letting off gas.  (well maybe)  I only wish Lyin King would have answer some of the questions but????Ed

I'm from South Dakota (now living in Indiana) and believe be Grumpy1 you have not offended me. But I do have to wonder if the guy from California is really from California. He seems to have an agenda and hides behind posting "for a friend" ... hmmm. I was a long-time sheep rancher from western south dakota, and if we had just rolled over and played dead the way Lyin King is suggesting you do, we would have lost all of our private property rights, been answering to the animal rights groups, and of course, answering to Al Gore. God forbid. But we did the right thing, we stood up for what we believed and educated the other side, instead of letting them dictate to us.

South Dakota ATV/UTV riders please stand up for each other, your existing rights, and your right to enjoy the great outdoors. Your tax dollars and your stewardship have given you these rights, don't let anyone take them away from you. And Lyin King, you should consider changing your screen name ... it feels sleazy, and you already lack credibility.

[GCHunter]

I have been following this thread for a few days now and I have come to the point that I feel the need to post a comment.  Yes it is critical that we create a funding source for the trail system in the Black Hills and hopefully someday around the state of South Dakota.  Seems simple to me, we ask the legislature to implement a plan whereby the users of the trail system pay for an annual sticker; this would include residents of South Dakota and non-residents.  I am perfectly willing to pay a fee to utilize the trail system and I am willing to volunteer my time in caring for the trail system. 

What I am not willing to do is give up my license plate which has nothing to do with the trail system.  I have heard the argument about the manufacturers recommended off use only but when has it become the law of the land to abide by a manufacturers recommendation?  Why are off-road organizations positioning themselves in support of legislation that would remove license plates from ATV/UTV's?  Is there perhaps a hidden agenda?  It would be my opinion that the off-road organizations should be placing their political clout in support of the trail system, not veering off to the left and working to remove plates from ATV's/UTV's.  Compromise is important, but explain to me why giving up my plate would help the trail system?

I have read that radical groups and concerned citizens will rally against ATV's having plates.  I have also heard it mentioned the director of motor vehicles in SD would like the plates to go away because it’s a hassle for her employees to handle the extra paper/computer work.     Honestly the only citizens I see wanting to take plates away would be those on the green (tree huggers) side because they would see it as a defeat for the ATV riders.  I look around my town and I do not see any problem with ATV’s.  I see citizen’s riding over to a friends to clear snow.  I see old codgers riding up to the local café for coffee.    Some say the writing is on the wall that we will lose our plates.  Well I think if you monitor the smoking debate in South Dakota you will see no writing on the wall is in ink.   The state legislature deemed it unlawful to smoke in public places but concerned citizens were not in favor of losing a right and they took action.  (FYI - I don’t smoke)  Regular people still have a say and can make or break legislation.   This is still America and we are still a democracy. 

There will be a day in the near future that if you prefer to keep your plates you are going to need to stand up and be heard.  But I also hope you help in supporting a move to create a funding source for the trails.

[bottlerocket]

You are right GCHunter.  Everyone on here is part of some form of atv/utv club.  I myself am involved in NE and SD.  I am for getting as many trails as possible but am not willing to lose my plates.  I volunteer my time and 4-wheeler to a lot of work to older folk, sick people or someone down on their luck.  Like I said before I would not be able to do that if I could not ride it around town.  I am willing to do my part in getting more trails to keeping my plates.

And Lyon King you are wrong when it comes to the people on this site.  I myself have already wrote numerous letters to different people.  And I think others that are on at this time have done something also!

[CN67]

In my opinion taking all atvs off the street means pretty much no where to ride, which means we all have thousands of dollars wrapped up into our machines and can't use them.  So we would have to go to trail parks.  It would be taking Tax money away from the state and pretty much giving it to the parks. 

[Go Faster]

In my opinion taking all atvs off the street means pretty much no where to ride, which means we all have thousands of dollars wrapped up into our machines and can't use them.  So we would have to go to trail parks.  It would be taking Tax money away from the state and pretty much giving it to the parks. 

I am willing to lobby our legislature to make our voice heard on the topic.  There is definitely a hidden agenda afoot here!  Other states/special interests groups seem to think SD is there testing ground/tinker toy for liberal legislation and that really pisses me off!  They need to stay away from SD!

Taking away plates is just plain dumb!  It will cost the state money, piss off you and me, and alienate 50,000+ registered ATV owners in the state!  What risk is there to the state?  There is no problem with ATVs on the roads currently.  Not even in the largest city in the state (according to an SFPD officer I know).  Heck they even have ATVs that they ride on the roads!

[CN67]

There are a couple of police atvs in Sioux Falls, usually seen at big events.  Odviously they are usefull even to the law inforcement.  There are a lot of people that bitch about the quads in Sioux Falls, but there complaints are to slow, to small can't see them, and noisey.  Pretty sure we can keep up with traffic, bicycleist ride on the street they can't keep up with traffic and are harder to see.  If you can't see us get your eyes checked or get off the road because you are the hazzard. Motorcycles and mopeds should be in the same boat as we are.  Ban one, ban them all!

[Grumpy 1]

Are you aware that there is an effort from Rapid City to have the license plate's taken away from ATV's.  The statement was made at an early 2009 meeting of the Off Road Association in Rapid City.  The guy who made the  statement is a board member of the South Dakota Off Highway Vehicle Coalition (SDOHVC) and a board member of the Off Road Riders Association (ORA). As I understand it now he is working with a former legislator to get the ball rolling in the 2010 legislature.  We are had at it to not let this happen even tho the ORA has not and says they will not take a stand on the license plate issue.  It looks like they already have with ORA being a big supporter of SDOHHVC and a board member against license plates on ATV's in boith groups. 

Maybe this will help as we get into the legislative session, so start practicing now so you see what sill affect you and your dollars and laws.  who knows even the Lyin King might learn something. (doubt It) Ed
Ii you have an interest in how your life is affected by the legislators.  I think I said watch the LRC site and here you go as of tonight there have been 7 house bills introduced and 4 senate bills introduced.  See if you can figure out what they are purposing on the increase in your license plate costs.  I'll start you by giving you this site http://legis.state.sd.us/index.aspx then click on current legislative session then click on bills and then click on full list and start reading and you will be able to figure out way ahead of your neighbor who will be complaining about it when the read it in the paper or see it on TV and you will have the entire text of the bill and know what you are talking about. This is where you  will see the bill affecting you and your ATV.  Ed

[gniK inylL ehT]

Well, let’s see Ed . . . I’ve learned that you cannot spell and if you had any outside or inside “Information Intelligence” regarding what is really going on, you sure didn’t direct anyone to a currently available easily accessible location.

There is nothing out there worth scrutinizing yet anyway!!!

The URL Ed was attempting to guide you folks to is  . . . http://legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2010/Bill.aspx?File=SB1P.htm

This is all that CURRENTLY applies to you guys . . .

 Section 5. That § 32-5-9 be amended to read as follows:
    32-5-9. License fees and compensation for use of the highways payable under § 32-5-5 shall be: nine twelve dollars and fifty cents for motorcycles with a piston displacement of less than three hundred fifty cubic centimeters and twelve fourteen dollars and fifty cents for motorcycles with a piston displacement of three hundred fifty cubic centimeters or more.
    Section 6. That § 32-6B-21 be amended to read as follows:
    32-6B-21. The department shall issue metal numerical license plates to licensed dealers upon application and payment of a forty-two sixty-three dollar yearly fee to be paid at the time of the annual review date for each set desired. Such The fees shall be distributed in the manner specified in §§ 32-11-2 and 32-11-4.1 to 32-11-9, inclusive. The license plates shall be numbered consecutively and shall bear as a prefix the number 77. The plates may be issued for a multiple year period. If a dealer's license is revoked or canceled or the dealer goes out of business the 77 plates shall be returned to the department. If any person operates a motor vehicle with 77 plates after the dealer license is revoked or canceled or after the dealer goes out of business, or if the person refuses to return the plates, the person is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.

More to come for SURE! . . .