What do you consider a modded machine???

[1badatv]

I have a question for you all and I know this will probably turn into a mudslinging contest and it is not what I want,But I would like a answer.
1) why can you run a modded 4x4 or 2x4 in a stock class?
2)Isn't that what open class is for?
3)Why is there no 800cc class.Why should someone with a stock 800 machine be forced to run against machines with nitrous,turbos,heads,pistons,cdi boxes,modules,pipes,etc
4)My last question,I know that a 650 brute will beat a 660,and a 700 grizzly,700 king quad in a race,and yet the 700 has to run with the 750's,but yet the I know a 650 brute and 750 brute will give the  800 polaris, can-am 800 a heck of a challenge in a mud race.Since this forum is up for new ideas,I would like to see the classes set up more like this and would like to see some feedback as to why you agree or disagree
301-401
401-501
501-601( sportsman 500,honda 450's,etc)
601-701(grizzly's 660-700,king quads,prairie 700,brute 650's,outlander 650,polaris 700)
701-801(brute 750's,sportsman 800,can am 800)
Since MOST machines do NOT run the cc's they wear as badging!!!in the 4x4's
I believe this would make it more of a challenge for machines and drivers.
I would say in a stock class you can have one ADD ON(pipe,cdi,module,tires(one size over stock)
If you have more than that you go to open class.
I know it would be tougher to tech in but if you use an honor system and the winners of the class are subject to a tech inspection afterwards and if you are found cheating you are DQ'd and the runner up gets your place
This seems more fair to me and my experience with racing quads and I will say it again,This is my opinion and I am OPEN for discussion on this,JUST KEEP IT CLEAN AND CIVILIZED,PLEASE!!!
I would like to see who agree's and disagree's and WHY?

[helmjama]

one question how would you check to see if engine was messed with. with the pipes and cdi's you can just look at the machine and tell if they are on there. and depending on the mud a really big tire could be a down fall. but another thing the money you would win at a race is pretty small around here so far. so if some one wants to dump a hole lot of cash on there machine so it goes threw the mud faster than the rest i guess he wanted to win worse than the rest. and i guess if you want to win or compete throw on a pipe a cdi and some tires and get after it. and if thats not enough get the big bore kit. me personally if i compete it would be to have fun and not to win if i win then i do but if not i had fun doing it. its like this with any sport its really hard to control every thing.

[Thumper700]

I would say that a modded machine in a race environment would have big bore kits, racing cams, you know- internal engine mods.  All the other bolt-ons, excluding nitrous and turbos, just make the most of the stock machine in my opinion.  In a tear-down, how would you tell what is stock or not.  Who has the time to tear apart the cases and check for aftermarket stall springs or who knows each machine well enough to know what is normal or not?  Now don't bite my head off either, I'm not a professional racer.

[1badatv]

Most people around here always know what the other one has,you ride with these guys on weekends and you hear what joe schmoe has some one always knows.
I am all for the fun,to me that's what it is all about that's why I believe the above classes would be more fun to watch and also more challenging.
The big mud tires do have the advantage sometimes,but they do slow you down also
If you want to run open then bring your other goodies bolt them on after the stock races and let it rip.
I just see so many guys adding everything to their quads for performance and running stock and then a guy on a sportsman 800 has to run open class with no bolt ons at all.Maybe you would see bigger classes if they were more even,and maybe even see some 800 sportsman's running in a stock class instead of showing up just to run open against sport quads and 4x4's with a ton of go fast parts,
I see in the stock class brute 750's (modified)running and winning,then jumping up to the open class against 800's and 950's and winning that also.What's up with that
How does a guy with a stock 750 compete in stock class against that?or worse yet a stock grizzly or king quad

[1badatv]

thumper 700,I know that cdi's and pipes can gain you just as much as cams and pistons.I am not saying a complete tear down.Like I said HONOR system.A guy would look for cdi's, modules,and things of that nature.I heard about 840 outy a year ago and he lives how far south?Would I want to race him in the stock class NO but I would like to race him in the open class just to see how I would do.That would be worth the $10.00 to enter.Some one always knows.I would not feel like a champion if I had big bore and cams and won,then recieve my $50.00 cash prize.You would have to win alot of races to payback the motorwork or risk losing the $50.00 for cheating because some one you beat tells the tech's what you have and your done racing stock any more and everyone knows.I believe in the honor system because everybody around here are just out to have a goodtime and maybe win a little gas money for the ride home were not racing for thousands of dollars,more bragging right's than money I believe
I won't bite your head off,I am just bringing this up to see what everyone think's about it.If it gets fired up I hope stumper will step in and warn first then lock the thread secondly.We are all mature enough for a good discussion.RIGHT

[Thumper700]

And then there's the issue of long track vs. short track.  Someone with a higher horsepower machine like an Outty will be p.o.'d if the track is short.  Too many variables to make everyone happy.  I would say just organize a race the way you see fit and if they don't like it, tough crap.  You are definately right about the 800 Polaris going against an open class machine.  That's not right.  Which race are we talking about anyway?

[rundrave]

here is a suggestion, would it be possible to make the mud race course more challenging and technical so it comes down to more of the rider than the machine?

im not a mud racer by any means but just wondering if it could be done.

I typically race XC harescrambles, and run into alot of modded quads. In most cases it comes down to the rider who has the most success.

[Moby]

Good thing I only have a pipe!

I was thinking about this same thing when it comes to the grass drags.  Even though mine is a stock bore 633cc it wouldn't  be fair for me to run it in that class.   That being said I'd hate to have to just run it in the open class it would be killed.  I'm not sure what the answer is.  Although after my recent clutch work I might get my ass handed to me by my kids 90    

[stumper]

I used to race in a "stock" 4 cyl. class and it was impossible for the tech guys to actually keep people from cheating. EVERY one knew who was and who wasnt. All it did was make it impossible for the guys that followed the rules to win. IMO "Stock" class should be limited to pump gass,no NOS or Turbos, no custom chassis. otherwise anything goes. A hopped up motor isnt going to perform worth a crap on pump gas ,so that should keep the money from being spent on internals.

[redrzr]

I like what 1bad is saying. i ride a totaly stock 800 sportsman and there is never a stock class for me . When i have to run against modded brutes that weigh less they think its fair in both mud runs and drags but when it comes to pulls then they complain i have the advantage and they want to be able to add weight.I dont think its fair they have allthe advantages in everything and im still stock.

[ryan12]

Fine then, if it makes people happy i will have a 800 -899 class in geddes.  It will be basicly be an open class, because there is only one atv bigger.  I give up 150cc against the 800.  Also there is very few 800 polaris's that run the mud drags, redrzr dont mud race his 800, and all we would do is add many hours of work trying to set up new classes and how to tech them.  Also there is nobody around here that has ever ran NOS!!!!! in a mud race.  If you want to have stock classes then you must have stock tires and no mods what so ever.  All i have done to mine is a cdi box and a little clutch work.  Like i said many times this is not for money it is for fun!!!!!!!!! i do think down the road it may come, but it won't be by me, i do not have enough time to do it that way.  If people don't like the rules or the classes, don't come, stay at home.  Also you don't always see the same atv winning at each town, each atv has its day.  I will do the 800-899 class if people want me to, but that will not keep the smaller ones from entering and racing against the bigger ones.

[ryan12]

also there is no way that a 800 polaris will even come close to beating a can am 800, am i wrong?

[stumper]

LOL, how about a Bone stock 600 - 800 class. NO mods, No mud tires, no Nuttin.

[ryan12]

Ya, and it must have a sprayer with round up in it.  We have about 10 entries per class usually, if we break it up anymore you might be racing with 1 or 2 other atvs, what fun is that to watch or be in.

[cammoman]

Fine then, if it makes people happy i will have a 800 -899 class in geddes.  It will be basicly be an open class, because there is only one atv bigger.  I give up 150cc against the 800.  Also there is very few 800 polaris's that run the mud drags, redrzr dont mud race his 800, and all we would do is add many hours of work trying to set up new classes and how to tech them.  Also there is nobody around here that has ever ran NOS!!!!! in a mud race.  If you want to have stock classes then you must have stock tires and no mods what so ever.  All i have done to mine is a cdi box and a little clutch work.  Like i said many times this is not for money it is for fun!!!!!!!!! i do think down the road it may come, but it won't be by me, i do not have enough time to do it that way.  If people don't like the rules or the classes, don't come, stay at home.  Also you don't always see the same atv winning at each town, each atv has its day.  I will do the 800-899 class if people want me to, but that will not keep the smaller ones from entering and racing against the bigger ones.

1badatv does'nt even mud race!!!(I'm not calling you on because I know what your machine is capable of!)  The classes are fine the way they are. Everyone knows the Can Am's have more power, as the machines get bigger and they start showing up at the races then we need to do a 800-899 class but until then I would leave them alone! I might even own one in about 6 weeks and I don't expect to be able to run with the 700 class machines!!!